Friday, December 9, 2011

Troublesome Times

Prepping has come a long way in the past two - three years.  When many of us first started in this "movement" prepping was an unfamiliar term. It was misunderstood and those of us who were into it were pretty much looked upon as a bit "odd".  When you tried to talk to others about what you were doing you were most likely met with a blank stare or a rolling of the eyes as if to say "What a nut job!"  Funny how things change in the face of  a depression some would say is as bad or possibly worse than the Great Depression in the 1930's.

It seems that prepping has now become mainstream.  Heck there are even television shows about preparedness and survival. On the local radio stations you now hear commercials for storeable foods and "survival seed vaults".   Even FEMA  warns us that we should be prepared for emergencies.  They tell us we should all have storeable food put away, water stored, and has even put out a list of things you should have on hand just in case of an emergency. I found this one especially informative. 

Folks, we are in some troublesome times.  On one hand you have all this mainstream attention to being prepared and on the other hand you have now all become potential domestic terrorists. You didn't know that?
The FBI ,in August of this year, issued a bulletin to Military Surplus Stores which included the buying bulk supplies of MRE's and even using cash to make purchases as possible terrorist activity which should be reported to authorities. Think I'm kidding?  Read this FBI Bulletin .  

And now I have come across this.  The following is a quote from Stewart Rhodes, of OathKeepers   “A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis."   

Think about that.  Think about the implications. How is it that buying foods to help your family survive in these times that many of us know are coming?  Are we now targets because we choose to prepare for uncertain times?  Terrorists?  How did this happen?  How did we come so far down this tyrannical road? We are now seeing the beginning of what some of us have seen coming for a long time.  And it seems to me that the "powers that be" are starting to worry about those of us who have chosen this prepping lifestyle. Those of us who have made a decision to live more independently and choose to care for ourselves and our families rather than depend on our government to do it for us. Now we are being considered potential terrorists for these actions. 

The growth of the prepper movement into the mainstream seems to have become large enough to make "them" understand that we KNOW that things are bad and bound to get worse.  It also seems to me that they are now worried about the fact that we DO know.  Please read this article that came out just this week.  Can you see the potential for disaster? 
      ~~~~~~  Hey ... I'm Just Sayin' ...  ~~~~~~


  1. Things are indeed, getting bad. I do believe that a change of President will change the attitude that preppers are terrorists...I just wonder if we will make it to that point before things come crashing down.

  2. But what do you know? Or that they think you know? I really think [and no I am not a sheeple] that their concern has more to do with militant factions stockpiling - not only foodstuff & water, but guns & ammunition - in a effort to start their own fight against the US government. Not with a prepper out to protect and provide for her family.

    What exactly are you afraid the government may do to you if they think you know something? This is a very honest question on my part, because the movement is big enough I can't imagine them doing anything nefarious to anyone to stop the so called "knowledge" of government......whatever.

    I think you should do what you feel is best for your family, within the legal limits [which you do] and not worry about them checking up on you. You aren't doing anything wrong or outside of reason. You are simply taking care of your family. Which is good and they shouldn't be able to take that away from you.

  3. been going on for a while. we ARE the frog in the pot..

  4. First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  5. SciFiChick,

    I've been around this block so many times it hurts. You just think people used to think you're nuts. I've been at this since before there were "preppers"...back then we were called survivalists.

    No matter. Important thing is FEMA says Stock up, but Fatherland Security says if you do, you are a terrorist, and CONgress says off to GITMO with indefinite detention.

    Best course of action is shut your piehole and do your thing. QUIETLY.

  6. Being quiet is the secret to flying under the radar, in my opinion!

    Stealth mode seems to be the way to go!

  7. What? cash is now getting illegal? I agree, get prepared, but try to stay under the radar.

  8. I wonder if other companys like Emergency Essentials have to submit a list of their customers and the volume they buy. I wonder if the customer cards we all use to get a discount at the regular grocery stores are a way for them to keep track of what we all buy.
    They may do it so they can take it all away in the name of the greater good and make us use rationing cards when that time comes.

  9. Sci - i am not really comfortable with some of the comments here and am not really comfortable replying. however, i love your quote above, always have, and that is why i try to share my knowledge and experience the same way that you have always done. i read the FBI bulletin and several other reports that have been is very scarey indeed! with that being said - we cannot live in fear. we must prep and we must try to help as many as possible before we get "caught".

    again - there is so much more that i want to say...

    your friend,

  10. I'm not real sure where this all went wrong. The only thing I was trying to do is to say that things are spiraling out of control. Where was it said that we are no longer able to express our outrage at what is going on around us? Where is it wrong to now say that we must be aware of what is being presented to us as "a fact"? I've not tried to say that the things being presented to us are the right or the wrong way "to think". I've only tried to make you see that the things you "might" think may not be the only way to think... If I have offended, then maybe... just have taken this totally out of the context in which it was written. The only point I was trying to make was that folks are getting scared. Scared to say what is in their hearts, scared to be "positioned" with those who feel that we are being taken advantage of. It reminds me of that old rock and roll song ... goes like "Should I stay or should I go"... Are we so afraid of what the truth about what is going on that we don't, can't or won't talk about it that we just sit back and let others speak of it? Let others "take the heat" because we aren't brave enough to say it ourselves? You tell me, am I really that out of touch? You don't have to answer or even feel that you should.. I just want to know that you have THOUGHT about what is happening all around you.

  11. You are not out of touch and we cannot keep burying our heads in the sand!

  12. SciFiChick,

    This just crossed my desk. Maybe it will offer a clearer view of what is happening and why. The videos are worth watching as well as the read.

    Yup. Low profile. Cash business. Those grocery store cards definitely leave tracks you don't want.

    As my sister once said to me about one of the president's wars: See you in the camps.

  13. Due to my verbose nature I will make 2 posts.

    First post

    SkippyMom said...
    What exactly are you afraid the government may do to you if they think you know something? This is a very honest question on my part, because the movement is big enough I can't imagine them doing anything nefarious to anyone to stop the so called "knowledge" of government......whatever.

    Here are just a few reasons I fear the government. These are lifted from an article “30 Signs That The United States Of America Is Being Turned Into A Giant Prison.” If you wish to read the full article it can be found here .
    1-A new bill has passed the U.S. Senate would allow the U.S. military to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without trial.
    2-Most Americans have no idea how sophisticated the “Big Brother” prison grid has become. For example, in Washington D.C. the movements of every single car are tracked using automated license plate readers (ALPRs).
    3-Did you know that the government actually sets up fake cell phone towers that can intercept your cell phone calls?
    4-The FBI is now admittedly recording Internet talk radio programs all over the United States. The FBI has awarded a $524,927 contract to a Virginia company to record as much radio news and talk programming as it can find on the Internet. The FBI says it is not playing big brother by policing the airwaves, but rather seeking access to what airs as potential evidence.
    5-In some areas of the country, law enforcement authorities are pulling data out of cell phones for no reason whatsoever. According to the ACLU, state police in Michigan are now using “extraction devices” to download data from the cell phones of motorists that they pull over. This is taking place even if the motorists that are pulled over are not accused of doing anything wrong.
    6-In many areas of the United States today, you will be arrested if you do not produce proper identification for the police. In the old days, “your papers please” was a phrase that was used to use to mock the tyranny of Nazi Germany. But now all of us are being required to be able to produce “our papers” for law enforcement authorities at any time. For example, a 21-year-old college student named Samantha Zucker was recently arrested and put in a New York City jail for 36 hours just because she could not produce any identification for police.
    7-Invasive TSA security techniques are not just for airports anymore. Now, TSA “VIPR teams” are actively conducting random inspections at bus stations and on interstate highways all over the United States.

  14. Post 2

    Certain “types” of American citizens are being labeled as potential threats in official U.S. government documents. An unclassified Department of Homeland Security report published a couple years ago entitled “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” claims that a belief in Bible prophecy “could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons.” The report goes on to state that such people are potentially dangerous. Back on February 20, 2009, the State of Missouri issued a report entitled “MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement“. That report warned that the following types of people may be potential terrorists….
    anti-abortion activists
    those that are against illegal immigration
    those that consider “the New World Order” to be a threat
    those that have a negative view of the United Nations
    The FBI is now instructing store owners to report many new forms of “suspicious activity” to them. According to the document, “suspicious activity” now includes the following….
    paying with cash
    missing a hand or fingers
    ”strange odors”
    making “extreme religious statements”
    ”radical theology”
    purchasing weatherproofed ammunition or match containers
    purchasing meals ready to eat
    purchasing night vision devices, night flashlights or gas masks
    To top it off KBR’s call for FEMA camp service bids arrives soon after the Senate overwhelmingly passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which permits the military to detain and interrogate supposed domestic terror suspects in violation of the Fourth Amendment and Posse Comitatus.
    Section 1031 of the NDAA bill declares the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allows American citizens to be arrested on U.S. soil and incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay.

    These are thing I know being done and thought by our government now. I also our government illegally imprisoned Japanese citizens during WWII. They have also done the following.

    The Tuskegee syphilis experiment was a clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama, by the U.S. Public Health Service. In the experiment, 400 impoverished black males who had syphilis were offered "treatment" by the researchers, who told the test subjects that they were treating them for the disease, but in reality did nothing—even though they possessed penicillin, which was known to cure the deadly disease at the time—so that they could observe the effects of syphilis on the human body.
    In 1956 and 1957, several U.S. Army biological warfare experiments were conducted on the cities of Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida. In the experiments, Army bio-warfare researchers released millions of infected mosquitoes on the two towns, in order to see if the insects could potentially spread yellow fever and dengue fever. Hundreds of residents contracted a wide array of illnesses, including fevers, respiratory problems, stillbirths, encephalitis, and typhoid.
    In 1966, the U.S. Army released the harmless Bacillus globigii into the tunnels of the New York subway system as part of a field study called A Study of the Vulnerability of Subway Passengers in New York City to Covert Attack with Biological Agents. The Chicago subway system was also subject to a similar experiment by the Army.
    In 1950, in order to conduct a simulation of a biological warfare attack, the US Navy used airplanes to spray large quantities of the bacteria Serratia marcescens - considered harmless at this time - over the city of San Francisco, California, which caused numerous citizens to contract pneumonia-like illnesses, and killed at least one person.

    SkippyMom, do some studies on what our government has done and is doing and I think you will know why I am afraid of the government. By posting this I have taken one step closer to the night some team will smash my door in and either kill me or drag me off to prison.


  15. I've used the Mormon food supply before. You know, if they checked the records probably 1/4 of the "customers" would be LEO or feds, who know enough to prep, just wanting to do it quietly.

    Stay safe. :-)

  16. Badger - THAT was AWESOME! thank you for taking the time to write all of that! i am Canadian and i am afraid that your government is going to kick in my door, take all of my preps and drag me off to prison.